wow lee i want to say sonthin but not sur wat,so is stu cool with ur coming out ,and is this indictive of all who fly sleeping bags... 8)

Hi Johnney,

No its not written by me.

Does not take a rocket scientist to know who wrote it or why.
And yes we can trace these things back to the source.

Shouldn't you be out west ... it's nuking mate.

Lee McClelland

who wrote it? name and shame them.

Probably someone from Wind and Shite - I'd guess they have some time on their hands now that the crappy mag has gone.

How about we compare IPs? - Working for Telecom i'm sure i could ask a few people to find out who was using a particular IP at any given point

i have deleted the original post at Lee's request, even though in my opinion it had some historic worthiness and was mostly relevant to the forum. obviously some parts were of questionable veracity but who knows? people claiming to be someone else can be genuinely funny at times, and we're all in for a bit of a giggle, but commenting on sexual preferences etc are obviously personal, potentially offensive and outside the scope of this forum.

however, if someone claims to know who the offender is, then please name them so they can be cautioned and/or banned.

KITE ON & ALOHA!

what ??? have I missed something here??

oh yeah!

nothin major. To be honest the incredable lack of wind is of much more concern... for Lee AND everyone else including myself. What has happened to spring????

It was about Lee batting for the other team.

That boys sure got some enemies...

SC

here is the latest from Wind & Shite, which apparently caused Lee to post some controversial article outlining his views on his website, which apparently caused the original post of this thread, making Lee look like a nancy boy.

get a load of this BS - some of the best delusional writing i've come across in years, and i truly thought Steve didn't have a creative bone in his body. i'll leave others to take pot-shots at that ridiculously easy target, while i sit back and enjoy the holocaust to come!



November Wind and Kite Cover publication date 15th of November.


Dear Clients and friends of Wind and Kite Magazine

After Six years of fun and excitement we are proud to announce that Wind and Kite Magazine is going to have a new team running the publication. Both Derek and I have put time, blood and energy into establishing without doubt the most effective windsurfing and kiteboarding publication in Australasia. Derek over the last two years has added a passion and background knowledge that took the magazine to a new level which I am sure the whole industry has benefited from.

The new team - Marvel Media has a background in promotion and sales and an enthusiasm that only new blood can bring. You will find both William and Leanne Davenport easy to deal with and open to new suggestion and new ideas. William has 13 years experience in the print industry. Predominantly in sales and management and will bring some new skills to the publication. The old adage of if its not broke dont fix it will stay in place but the publication will meet new heights of exposure both here and in Australia.

Both Derek and I will be associated with the publication in an advisory role but Marvel media is dedicated to bringing onboard new individuals to take over aspects of the magazine. This will leave them to concentrate on the development of the publication while the high interest and gritty aspect of the magazine will be in the hand of those that have their finger on the pulse.

In discussion with William and Leanne I am excited and impressed by boththeir enthusiasm and long list of ideas to take the magazine to a new level.

William will be contacting you all either by phone or email over the next few weeks. I am sure you will give them the same overwhelming support you have given us.

On behalf of Derek and myself it has been a pleasure dealing with you all.

Steve Dickinson

Pacific Media, Marketing and Publishing Ltd.


- thanks steve. on behalf of myself and all sane kiters who can count up to seven and can read without moving their lips, it's been a pleasure dealing with you and to you, and even more of a pleasure to savour your sad demise, although we wait with bated breath to see you in action in your new muppet advisory role.

LOL



Should read 'If it's broke sell it'



More LOL

I remember seeing huge piles of the mag at a certain shop and couldn't even give them away! I also tried using some to start our fire. It was crap at that as well.

Darn and i thought that there was gonna be some fullon flamin.. all it is is a eulogy of W + K. From what they are saying it ain't dead... just changing hands??

The biggest con with that mag was lack of NZ kiting action (it was mostly either windsurfing or it was overseas stuff). A reason why I'm keen on the arrivial of stance NZ.

The sun is out and blazin today... here's hopin that the sea breeze has got some more grunt cos tide is perfect for a Bramley kite in the arvo.

Hello boyz,

Derek Teensma here.

Well, I see you lads have been getting stuck in and having quite a laugh amongst yourselves.

For the record gentlemen it wasnt Steve or I that posted the stuff on Lee earlier this post. Thank you to the person that did, like Shaan, I also found it very amusing, but picked up that some of it was untrue. Especially the bit about Lee's sexuality.

Yes Lee did post something on his website magazine that was offensive, and most of it being untrue. But unfortunately for him it was defaming. No biggie, we sent him a letter explaining this and hes removed it. Simple!

Shaan, your continual quest to poke the fire, so to speak, is getting boring and makes you look like a right ass, my opinion, but quite clearly NOT your two or three buddies that plague this forum which Im not losing sleep about either lads.

At they end of the day Shaan you had a crack at a windsurf mag (which I read and enjoyed), but it failed due to reasons Im not about to get into. You then started up Kitesurf Quarterly (never read it) and it was also short lived. Im sorry mate but your past doesnt show you as a successful guy in the print media world. Hey, you had a crack at it.

Your forum dude is obviously more your style and looking by the amount of advertisers youve got on board a real gold mine. But hey, its not about that for you its a lifestyle thing!!!! We can tell

As for Ian Richardson (phileas fogg) I have never met you but I look forward to him putting a face to his name, as I believe we kite in the same waters.

There we go guys, a heap more ammunition for you to sink your teeth into enjoy!!

Im going back to me work and hoping that the sea breeze kicks in laters. Never know, if I'm lucky, I might even run into Lee.

Happy Days


Derek

PS Thrasher - Next mag comes out mid week I got a bit more NZ content in there for ya. Hope its enough? Cheers D

interesting take on the proceedings derek. now that you have brought up my publishing record (which has nothing to do with the current hilarity) i will correct a couple of your most wilfully ignorant gaffes.

first, i published nz windsurfer for 3 years (these are actual years - not like the 6 years steve claims to have published W&K). each year I delivered three quality magazines totally dedicated to local content. each was delivered on time, on budget and every single issue was sold for real money - no giveaways! each issue was run as a business in its own right and was profitable - no debt carried whatsoever!

the magazine was known internationally as one of the best at representing the sport, despite the limited size of the readership. new zealand windsurfer didn't fail - it was profitable and growing at a rate of 15% per quarter. in 1999, i started getting into kiting and was perfectly happy to keep publishing the mag even though i personally was no longer interested in the sport. you will recall how far guys like you had your heads up your nether regions at the time and how unpopular anyone was who switched to the new sport. i myself had had a very good run at windsurfing already, had given it everything but inevitably, had more than a gutsful of dealing with many aspects of the 'windsurf industry'. i chose to put my energies into the superior sport of kiting which i was convinced was the future.

that's when i started cranking out a kiting magazine, despite being able to count the new zealand kiting population on my fingers and toes. i started kitesurf quarterly small but due to its winning formula of actual information, humour and penetrating analysis it went BIG! that baby grew at a rate of 60% per quarter until it was selling over 2500 copies per issue in New Zealand and Australia - no giveaways - and this was almost five years ago when kiters were far thinner on the water than today.

you admit you never read KSQ which shows how long it took you to see the wood for the trees and start kiting a couple of years ago. steve never read it either. funny that you've both had a lot to say about it over the years, and apparently share the same misconceptions and bad attitudes about it.

my kiting mag did not fail in any way either. i decided to suspend publication of it, while it was very much in the black and growing at a phenomenal rate - a decision that was a lot more to do with external events than most people appreciate. i don't regret my choice, except occasionally when i read the garbage other people have published in the name of our sport.

the greatest success of both my mags is even now, years later, people still read them, learn from them, talk about them and generally recall their existence. only time will tell how people remember steve dickinson's hit and run style, or the illiterate bilge that he spawned.

nevertheless, the whole thing is a bit of a giggle. best of all, you and i actually get to go kiting from time to time, which is one of the best things anyone can do on the planet. i can only imagine the pitiful existence of tweakers like steve who have had to deal with the entire saga without a moment of clarity while soaring over a sandbar, or the never failing joy of planing into a wave.

i can imagine how it hurts to be called failures, fly-by-nighters and clueless losers etc but at the end of the day steve has apparently not failed, if he has actually unloaded his dead dog to someone for hard cash! good on him, he has won the prize...and good on you derek for giving it a bash.

aloha to all wind warriors and seekers of the truth!

Shaan,

Seems to be that we're both moving on brother and treating this stuff as water under bridge. Cool.

We are human and it's easy to take this stuff personally, especially with a sport like this where it is such a big part of our life.

The biggest rewards are on the water and I am in agreement with you there too.

Much Aloha

Derek

So Wind n Kite is still around. Sweet. Despite my comments about lack of NZ kiting content i still dig the epic windsurfing pics. There is plenty of NZ windsurfing action in that mag. I liked it as I still realise that windsurfing has it's place (I AM from Wellington).

As for that sea breeze. It was hittin 15 knots here at Brams for about half an hour before easing back to 10. I managed to sample the beach and my 17m Yarga managed to sample a picnic table.. both came out in one piece (My ass still hurts though and my kite has nice black imprint on the leading edge).

Johnny missed the wind again.. or did he chase it away?

That water was freakin warm too.

By the way what are the current mags and websites relating to NZ kiteboarding?

As far as i know there is

Wind n kite
Stance NZ

and for websites there is

nzkiteboarding.com
nzkiter.com
kiteforum.co.nz

any others?

Pity kitesurfing quarterly stopped.. it was a kickass mag with lots of NZ kiting but as Shaan has stated.... nothin beats kiting. The beast from the east nursing a sore backside wishes everyone a windy weekend.. I will be out there. Mag or no Mag

derek: you're right. let's keep moving on and keep smiling!

like polluted water under the bridge and cold beer off a duck's back, east coast sand through the hourglass, and osama's camel through the eye of a needle - so are the days of our lives!

i didn't see you out on the water tonight! i made it out for a grovel in the orewa estuary mouth and am feeling a lot better for it, although the only incident of note was looping my rag through young phileas fogg's stationary sleeping bag strings thus causing a hell of a mess and ending my sesh.

It is hard to imagine a more twisted tale of sorrow and self deciet in our known universe... And here I was - all these years thinking the purpose of said publications were to pass the time as far more important passings, oozed from (cleansed) my inner workings...

Full marks for passion the lot of ya!!

I'm over dissing Wind and Shite better things to do. Intrestingly which one of u tried to register on my blog website and put there occupation as 'gangster' how

TWEEKER SHAAN! No problems, although the humidity didn't allow my bag to dry very much when Marc and I started landboarding still had a blast though. The wind even got stronger as the night went on - pity there was no full moon.

this is kinda funnie, lets pray 4 some blow 2moro,so wats it gonna b.

marvel media? are they the same crew that brought us a few decades of great comics, and then most recently the spiderman and X-men blockbusters? that's about all google has to say about the outfit apparently currently taking advisement from wind & shite guru dickinson.

does this mean, we'll get more fantasy-based journalism complete with all-powerful action heros in lycra?

bugger me, kiting must be going ballistic for the big boys to get involved?!!

this is going to be bigger than the bible!

Well they saw us wearing our board shorts over wetsuits and equated that to underwear over superhero outfits.

Allah be praised
I am knowing that many of you will be wondering where I and the lovely Hazel have been. I could tell you but that would be giving too much away.

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Does it make him bad person only if you is a born again Christian like our brother Big Nose (see you Sunday brother) or a homophobic like out brother philas fogg if that brother is not Chinese Id be surprised.

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I am glad to see the selling of wind n kite but am surprised at the slaggin our brother steve the owner has received - the man made a magazine we didnt like it all but even you brother chicken legs did write for it it was big and bold and full of windsurfing but it was out there. And he did sell it more than can be said for kiteboarding halfly and the other windsurfing magazine that have slipped into oblivion. I am sure our chicken legged brother will have all sorts of recourse as to why and how nobly he let it his magazine slip by but brother we all know as sure as Lee is a lover of the dark side that you couldnt do it without mr tweedles support ( and you pooed in your nest a wee bit there) and you could not do it once wind n shite had taken all the ad dollars brother poultry pins put your hands up brother and admit to the spanking you got youll feel better for it.

Those of you who know I am a Marvel may now be well aware it may I who have taken the reins of wind n kite and the musha hadine will now be the f brother Shan you to can write your entertaining soliloquies of fortitude for us.. as for the rest of you god loves you all as does Hazel I feel it may be time for a full reveal as to who is Osama been kiting but with the wrongs here that still need to be righted I may need to stay a little closer to the oasis

Anyone wanna buy a Iron side north kite???? no sorry ironheart sorry ironside was a guy in a wheel chair same thing, different harness
ace on New Zealand kiteboarding.

Osama brutha!! Long time no hear. We thought G Dubya polie had finally got ya by the short n curlies. Wind n kite is still alive and kickin as our good friend Derek has pointed out but alas i'm all itchin to get me grubby beastie mitts on a copy of his latest opus to check out some NZ kiting action.

But why i may ask are you planning on a mission to church on Sunday? Have you joined the crusaders and the zionists? I know Zarquawi has been doin naughty things to Hazel but can't a fellow jihadi take it as water under the bridge like our dear friend Derek.

A northerly is forecast for today and as that is my favourite wind direction I am sure to be talkin it up like Philleas fogg at a beach near you.

Oh and just to put things straight right now as i have been accused of this in the past. I am not Osama.

waiting for the wind....

i have deleted some text from mr. been kiting's / aka sandfly's rant and caution he/she not to refer to people's sexual preferences even in jest.

someday i may be bothered to offer a rebuttal to our learned friend on some subjects pertaining to me, but i really can't be assed at present.

for the record i should also probably outline the reasons for my distaste for all things steve dickinson - these have probably been lost in the mists of time and many newcomers would be unaware, and quite likely uninterested. nevertheless, these reasons are far less to do with any perceived competition for advertising revenue and far more to do with how the guy has actually performed in his dealings with me personally and our entire community as a whole. his lack of talent, enthusiasm, respect or understanding of our sport was always plain to see and inevitable, but his thuggish, boorish, litiguous style and open contempt for many valued members of our community added another dimension altogether. as time permits i may expand on these riveting themes later.

i am by no means anti-magazine, and welcome anybody (including the hapless new owners? of wind and shite) to show their wares for the good of all. but there are limits to acceptable behaviour and in my opinion steve dickinson overstepped these on many occasions. yawn!

Let it go mate, you are begining to sound repetitious, and apart from you, who cares...?

not many if any - but you will notice how often random freaks bring this perennial topic up - it has legs!

..... it's entertaining. So if Osama Been kiting is Sandfly? Then who the hell is Sandfly? Nice sesh at Pine Harbour today. Where did everyone else go to? Surprised to see a SW this arvo... a result of AK's ever present but ever changing wind.

NE forecast for the weekend. I'm sure with the onset of summer the patience of other beachgoers this weekend will be sorely tested... Osama or no Osama.

C you at the beach.

I'm not osama ben what the F%$K
But I think I know who he is

as part of our routine electronic intercepts, all part of T.W.A.T the war against tittish behaviour, i can assure you that sandfly and osama's most recent incarnation are operating from the same cave.

a trawl through some old IP addresses revealed some other interesting dual-personalities such as Osama Ben Kiting who shares an IP address with our good old friends at P.Media. would they stoop so low as to incite covert chaos on this forum?

it is true, there have been many losers, beatniks, criminals and wannabes who have claimed their voice crying in the wilderness is that of the true believer, the sheikh and leader of the free mujaheeden - which i can assure you has made his capture all the more difficult.

however after a chance meeting at meola reef last night, with messrs broadbent and murrell, i can report the forces of justice are moving in closer everyday. never mind the border between afghanistan and pakistan, the pentagon now believes chief evildoer #1 has been seeking refuge in the tribal areas of pt. chevalier / waterview on auckland's westside. countless times broadbent and i have sat at cafe tables accusing each other of being OBK, but it wasn't until bignose (a long suspected double agent) was actually interrogated in our presence that the pennies really dropped.

of course murrell has been brought in under heavy suspicion of causing acts of terror in the past (for example, my sources allege it was he who spiked brad's drinks last saturday night causing the old fella to lurch around tabac with his shirt off vomiting repeatedly and hindering the poor guy's scoring and kiting performance to this day. he has also been indited for flying planes into the WTC, and upsetting the ex-international marketing manager of decay kiteboards worldwide operations inc.) - but experts have always maintained at the end of the day mr murrell is no mastermind and therefore not intelligent or computer literate enough to wage assymetric warfare so cunningly without detection for so long.

under questioning at a black site, after a box of stellars and a sniff of lolo, public enemy #1 could not deny his guilt for a long list of crimes against civilisation.

unbelievably however, he escaped our custody before we had a chance to apply the ultimate truth serum. that is why i am hereby putting out an ALL POINTS BULLETIN: WANTED SHANE MURRELL AKA BIG NOSE, DONKEY BRAIN, SHAMELESS, OSAMA, SANDFLY, FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY DEAD OR ALIVE.

my sources indicate he may soon take flight to aussie, but hopefully the rednecks there will be on to him and have him trussed up in an orange suit and on his way to gitmo in no time.

remember folks, we're in a war against the forces of evil and if you're not with us you're against us.