It's Paul here,

I came up from Hamilton yesterday afternoon to have a kite at the hugely talked about aucklands kite beach.

It seemed that everyone was launching at Surf Club end and spoke to one of the nice guys blowing up his kite to ask about what to watch out for if any.

as it was quite on shore it seemed very hard to get up wind.

I found myself struggling to get up wind because of the four or five learner kiters with their kites straight up in the air.

I was then told to f__k off and get to the I thnik northern end of the beach by the charactor that seemed to be teaching them.

Please mr who ever you were... go f__k yourself!!

and why for the life of me i can't understand don't you teach them up the other end of the beach, as I was told by other kiters that this end has always been the entry area for the experienced kiters.

I'll stick to kiting at the Mount and Raglan from now on.

Thanks for making my Auckland kiting experience bad one.

I have never been spoken to like that in all my years and I ask you take an anger management course mr. f__k you!!

Thank you


Paul

This is not surprising,
When you know they consider french as losers, aussies as thieves, argentinians as facists, etc...
Maybe they just consider people from Hamilton as a__holes.
Better to let them live in their own little world. There are enough nice kiting places in NZ without putting the feet in Auckland.
Personnaly, I won't...

Hey Paul H please don't slam the whole AK kiting scene just because you had a bad experience at Orewa. Orewa when it's goin off is bloody crowded and many of the best guys in NZ kite in the waves at that beach. Orewa is not for beginners, it's not a place to learn to kite... especially now that kiting is much more popular. I still don't know why Orewa is dubbed "kite beach". If your ever in Auckland again I strongly recommend you come out to the Eastern Suburbs as opposed to heading over the bridge. The beaches out this way (eastside) are far more beginner friendly and the crew out this way are mostly beginners/intermediates and there are not many of us so we would welcome any new beginners. We are very laid back and are allways there to help. Take my advice... if you are a beginner... stay away from the north shore, come to the eastside instead.

either that or just keep on driving...northland has heaps of sick uncrowded spots on both coasts. small friendly crew, warm water and amazing beaches

Orewa waves? those arnt waves mate head north or west for some decent waves over 1.5 foot.

So who was teaching learners yesterday at orewa some one will know...

hey hey! no-one made any tongue-in-cheek generalisations about hamiltonians, but it certainly can be arranged. there are a few assholes everywhere - welcome to the world!

as far as i am aware (and i heartily enjoyed the first real day of summer kiting at orewa yesterday) it is a free beach and all are welcome to kite anywhere except inside the flagged area etc.

anyone telling anyone otherwise is a tweaker. i have no idea of the incident described but have heard reports about one guy who apparently considers orewa beach his personal and exclusive patch. hmm.

Sorry guys,

I don't mean to down the whole kiting scene in Auckand as I know heaps of great cats (kiters) that join me for a regular sesh down middle east and west.

just really pissed me off after all the effort I put in to my afternoon off kiting. Yet there's so many good beaches this guy could teach on. Hell the one he was on could have used more effectively. Ya gotta feel for his people he's trying to teach?

Who is this guy anyway?

paul

hmmm you should be able to figure it out

Orewa is a great spot however I recon there are many beach that are just as good if not better. I spent the hole afternoon down at Takapuna with cross shore conditions and to top it I WAS BY MY SELF !! Well that was still late in the arvo when some of the crew came down. Milford, Taka, Long beach, Cheltenham are all just as good.
I know some will argue that Orewa has stronger wind.. I still need to see proof of that point.

Whats the point of sharing on shore conditions with 30 kites?
Great to catch up with the croud, however fighting for space is a pain in the ass.

What a nice bunch of riders all moaning about the new kiters....
Come on you had to learn once yourself and the training season is just getting started.

Lets clear things up a little.
There were two seperate schools operating on Orewa yesterday, and yes orewa has always been a training beach for kiters.
8 of the 15 kites up after 5pm were all learners with less than 1 month of skills.

One of my students said he told a couple of kiters to f off as they were riding too close to him. I told a couple of my mates to give us some friken space and they did. No problems there.
So maybe your talking about me or maybe not..
Many learners are nervous and need looking after and all the considerate kiters are happy to help out and give them some space.

But if your riding like a selfcentered jerk and obviously a danger to other riders someone has to step in and point that out.
Its not about owning the beach its about stopping accidents before they happen.
4 guys died in the last couple of weeks, so please understand our concern.
The surf club guys were foaming at the mouth and chased a few kiters down with their rubber boat too. As a few visitors new to Orewa seemed to be breaking the rules.

At the other end of the spectrum are the guys like IanDVNT, who was in the same zone and busting out his new moves and not causing anyone any worry at all.
So says more about the rider skills than anything.
(Fine looking unhooked moves too.)

And as a final closing point, the training has always been operating between the surf club and the river mouth since time began. the advanced riders, give the newbies plenty of room. And we all give way to the surf club and when they want to hit the water.

Tolerance and consideration to all makes for a happy day on the water all round.
Outsiders visiting Orewa and trying to stirr up trouble should think a little before they go public.
There are at least three schools operating on Orewa.

If your looking for a beach like Orewa without students on it.
Try Long Bay, Takapuna, Snells beach, Omaha.
Or head out the East side as there are more beaches out there.

Peace and love to you all.
The wind is up again and all the east coast beaches are looking good.

So it was you mr lee from Anabatic Kite Shop.

I will make this public as I have never seen such a disregard for cominsense in all my years.

lets say one was going to teach people how to drive a car... with your theory. I would throw my students straight out onto pukekoe race track on an open day? They've been teaching people there for years to, but I still wouldn't do it.

Come on mate use ya peanut in between your shoulders.

From what I saw the other riders were all being super careful and trying to stay up wind in the semi light conditions.

The only result I could see was the learners were very uncomfortable.

Do the right thing mr lee, you don't own the beach and there will be peace, love and a bunch of happier kiters all round.

regards


Paul H

Communicate and respect people how you would like to be communicated to and respected yourself, and you may just have a better quality of life - regardless of the notes in your pocket.

I sound like Jesus. Haha

Osama speaks

Brethren I will not be having this cultural slur on our brother Lee
Our brother Lee means no harm with is use of the F*&k words it is cultural misunderstanding and rather than an abuse it is a form of welcome, a greeting of love and warmth
Here in the Telly-ban I and the other Telly tubbies will often greet each other with the well known F*&K ya which loosely translated mean my love for you is so strong that I would make sex with you, or as a farewell greeting we will yell F*&K off meaning take our love making with you. At times we will refer to one of the beloved as a f*&Ker meaning one who is always willing to love and be loved this can often be proceed by a reference to his mother . There are those who are true beloved and they will be farewelled with F*&K off C*nt face loosely translated meaning take my lovemaking be with you, you have the look of our place of pleasure
Our brother Lee was not being harsh with his words but soft and caring it is all in a process of translation.
Lee is one of the Best I have often been to his place of abode- he greets me with his well known f*&K off I return with F*&K you and we are as brethren- I ask can I buy one kite and he will give me three for the BEST priceso please when our brother yells at you across the water in the car park or shopping centre wherever he is trying to teach it is a greeting not an abuse.

No worries Paul. Most of us AK kiters are pretty relaxed dudes. Its unfortunate that some (was it you Lee?) choose to use abuse in the heat of the moment but such is life.
I'm with our English come Kiwi mate Ian on this one. Aretha Franklin sings that song R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
Leaners and regulars are a reality so give a little consideration to all ya "Big Bunch O Palukas!!

Damn office politics!

As much you guys are trying to spread the love I still think Lee from Anabatic has got a wake up call coming his way and think he's still an idiot. these are cool



Paul

You crack me up Osama!!!!

Osama my brother. It must be Hazel the camel that is stirrin up all that bad vibe at Orewa. It must be Hazel dropping poopies everywhere on our bother Lees sacred beach that is movin him to jihad and to rid the Orewa beach of infidels.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt all kiting magazines say that experienced riders give way to learners?

Im sick of apologizing to kite boarders for getting in their way. Im usually in the one side of the bneach as it is and staying away from everyone's way.

We all had to learn sometime and I agree no one ownes the beaches!! We're all tax payers!!!

Most of you guys are bloody sheep ! Have to go where everyone else is kiting, down the surf club end of the beach, Orewa is a big beach,! Maybe you are very insecure about your kiting skills and feel the need to parade yourself in front of a whole lot of newbies to get noticed..

i fully agree with aklbob. why is it that everyone seems to bunch? it must be a north shore thing... insecurity. the fact that people would kite orewa in the middle of summer in 8 knots and crowded suggests that something is very wrong. there are plenty of places in auckland during summer where you don't have to keep walking along the beach with kite up in the air in amoungst nappy browning toddlers.

hey aklbob Huia was weavin the majic yesterday judging from the windmeters at awhitu... great spot for summer learning, leave Orewa for 25 knots and the pros. we don't want kiting banned at "kitebeach" now do we?

here in Welly it's nice and sunny and warm but not much in the way of wind. I've seen a couple of nice kiting spots round here but windsurfing here would be epic... i'm about to writeup the trip on my website. pm me for more imfo. The wind got up this arvo, enough to make it whitecap in the harbour... but that's just a gentle breeze by Wellington standards.

yeah Manukau harbour was up to 20 knots on Sunday, super whitecapping, really pumping by 2pm... till dark...
classic seabreeze day, wind was up by 11am...

Yeah the tamaki doctor was in the estuary too. I didn't kite as i need new bar and lines (2 lines snapped last sesh). Nice conditions though for windsurfing at little bucks. Did you kite yesterday Tim? Looks like it'll be good at PH or the sandspit this arvo so txt me if your keen on a sesh after work dude.

Windsurfing??? what century are we talking about here?!!

I think there are 2 sides to the story about this Auckcrapkite-beach dilemma....

Obviously you should give a learner enough space to move, but also the learner should be given a suitable training area....

In my experience of learning & teaching, I avoid onshore conditions with downwind obstacles. There is little, if any, quality learning time to be had when there is no water available downwind anyway.

If there is a crew of experienced riders using the area in marginal conditions - I would go elsewhere so as to give those riders THEIR space.

I aint no Hamiltronian Paul but whenever you go kiting someone elses patch you've gotta expect to fit in with the locals & if they choose to teach in shit conditions on a shitty beach you gotta find a way to get along with the brudda's....

Respec', Peace, Love, artificial insemination & a big F**k you to my fellow man Osama bin kiting

.... just gettin back to the grass roots seano :wink:

Orewa never was and never will be a good beginners spot. As for the kitebeach tag..... yep it goes off in a good NE. However kitebeaches aren't beginnerkitebeaches. As madness said before there are plenty of good spots on Auckland's east coast to learn to kite. and there are plenty of bays around the place to learn in other wind directions as well. Just a matter of getting the map out and looking. Kitesurfing is not a sport where you just buy some ghear and start learning... you need the grass roots sorted out first... know what the weather works like, know what beaches to go to in what conditions... windsurfers allready have the above things sorted out. Then you need to learn how to fly a kite... and then once you actually get out in the water avoid the crowds at all times. Just poppin up to say howdy to Lee on a hot summers day, buyin some toys and then getting the anabatic lord to give ya a lesson in amoungst all the tribes of Israel sounds pretty dodgy to me... but I'm sure Lee has some majic trick up his sleeve that makes it all go to plan :wink:

Grass roots? Grass roots? Grassroots?

Get of the grass you mean, what are you on about, what have windsurfers got sussed? how to kite at Orewa with Lee?

I don't want to look at a map of Aucks - it's an ithsmus.

Can we get back to poor old Paul from Hamiltron who decided the grass was greener in Orewa.... Lee lovingly told him to F**K off because he was being a bit of a kook & getting in the way of his attemps at selling a kite at the Best price of 3 for 1 and I'll see you later in my sail repair loft...

Paul suggested a course of anger management & Osama cleverly pointed out that Lee is a believer & knows how to spread the word of divine love in a unique form whilst converting new disciples...