new zealand has its very first kiteloop connoisseur! check out lee mcclelland's anabatic website for his fawning admiration of gavin broadbent's real deal.

"Later in the day when the wind was a bit heavier Gavin proceeded to show the beach what a real Kite Loop is all about. None of this Psuedo half under loop when your only 6ft off the water, landing lit like a cannon ball totally out of control. But full height boosts on the 13m Fuel, with what looked like a double back roll in the midst of a high energy kite loop. Landing with the kite back high in the sky, smooth as and fully lit ready for the next insane move. Now thats a Kite Loop, but you have to see how easy he makes them look."

this from a guy who is at least a decade away from trying one himself. a bit lame lee - to start dissing other people's expressions of the sport. if you knew anything about kitelooping you would know most people who actually do them don't have the balls or desire to experiment with them on anything but their big kites. in these conditions getting 6ft off the water is often actually an achievement.

no discredit to gavin though, he does push the envelope with his kiteloops, regardless of kite size and wind-strength, and he's experimenting with shorter lines, a sure fire way to land with the kite getting back into the parachute zone. the very next day we were rotating a few on our 13m's in plenty of wind at port waikato and as always he was giving it a nudge (and taking a few compulsory beatings). even mike had a spectacular attempt or two.

lee - when we see you boosting six metres and winding one up, i think you'll have earned the right to offer opinions on other people's techniques.
there are many different ways to skin a cat - that's what makes our sport so appealing.

i did try to post this on your lively forum but it was too hard and judging by the one post in december rate - was unsure if anyone would see it.

a footnote on kitelooping for the rest of the country: by my 'bound to be inaccurate count' there are now at least eight j.a.f.a.s who are working on different styles and intensity of kiteloops (apparently not good enough for lee to notice however, though many of them were probably strutting their stuff out front of his shop that evening). they are in no particular order; gavin, the three 'shanes', chris and shaun, armie and perrin.

my hat goes off to them and everyone else who's challenging themselves with new moves.

Hmm I was going to write something but now I'm not sure I'm qualified to have an opinion on kite loops as I'm not sure how good mine are. Anyway lets not let that get in the way. My opinion is that getting the kite back up again ain't half as much fun as getting to a similar height as it and landing as fast as possible with that sucker dead down wind. I like trying them on my big kite rather than the small ones because of that. Too scared to try it on the 8.5 yesterday, didn't see Kane try any on the 6m Rhino 4 we were both pretty lit though (yes is does get windy in Chch, like very windy from every direction yesterday).

Chris

shame on you chris! someone SAW someone else do something better than what you described which means you people are unpeople. plus you don't supply kite gear to that someone or ride gear supplied by him, or even give a rat's ass what ANYONE else thinks about your personal pleasures. your license to thrill yourself has been revoked.

don't lose any sleep over it dude - i don't.

i hear what you're saying though. one of my favourite kiteloops at the moment is a toeside to toeside single back + back which gets me completely laid out and horizontal, probably only a few inches off the water and it feels like i land back exactly where i started with only a 90 degree change of direction (i.e. dead downwind).

if lou wainman told me it looked gay, i'd keep doing it because it feels just fine to me, and plus he used to tell me my transitions on the inside of kite beach were gay, when he had a very clear idea of what i should be doing (staying the hell out of his way and not upsetting his KGB routine as i recall).

and then when i went back a year later that freaky little cat himself was doing transitions on the inside.

jezz shaan get a nozzel,and yeh your count is fucd up,but it dont matter,its the smile on da dail that counts bro, gavs style does roc but, the cagey ole bastard .

like you have said numerous times on this forum, everyone is entitled to there opinion.
Interesting though that you bring up your opinion here about something written on another web site which had nothing to do with you in the first place.
best we keep well quite at the beach if shaans in close proximity least he overhear and slag us off on his soap box

yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion - when they display it in a public place like a website, it is then open to scrutiny by others.

i did try to respond on the anabatic website, but it was too hard. i also felt the comments had something to do with me and the other non-anabatic kiteloopers in auckland, and thought they were in bad form and worthy of a correction.

say and do what you want at the beach - obviously your freedom to swing your arm ends where someone else's nose starts.

if someone does not soon put thier arm ends on your nose I would be surprised. However your nose is always stuck so far in someone else business or butt it would be difficult to get a good swing.

very witty, intelligent and ballsy of you mr. nobody. please surprise everybody and introduce yourself to me at the beach today (ill be at shakers in half an hour) and i would be glad to give you a free swing.

Great I'll come check ya out - you's the one with the real skinny legs right?
I see you were posted at 2.41 - I'll be there in a little while
It's further from South Auckland than you think

Dont make that sort of an offer Shaan there will be a huge queue!

just got back from the beach - had a helluva session on the 13m - a little under-gunned at times but generally good.

didn't encounter any aggro - just a bunch of other smiling kiters - no queues of swinging south aucklanders or otherwise.

merry christmas to y'all. i haven't had any complaints but in the festive spirit i must apologise to all innocent readers for my recent outbursts toward 'jack' and lee.

i'm not known for taking backward steps and i don't apologise to those two cretins and wannabes, but to the rest of you (who possibly don't find stuff like that funny, especially when gutless morons threaten violence). i admit that i do personally find it quite entertaining.

can you imagine how someone who's too scared to write their name on the net would actually perform in a bare knuckle fist fight or worse?

more importantly though, may the season of peace and hope bring plenty of wind and waves to every nz rider. i've still never met a kiter that i didn't like in some twisted way.

standby for the first inaugural kiteforum.co.nz awards and honours list.

:shock: ...... first off ... please don't mistake me for the other guest's listed above .... lest i get a right royal thrashing from this so called soul surfer, and being a 'peice, love and mung-beans' sort of guy, that is just all bad Karhma.
Secondly ..... what the F#$K? .... last time i checked, this sport was all about just doing your own thing, in your own way, & in your own manner and just enjoying yourself, not pissing off everyone as you feel a need to stand up for your man after someone (going by Lee's quote as listed by Shann) tries to pay a COMPLEMENT about how impressive gavins loops were ...
You might get a little upset as to peoples feedback if you were the person doing the mighty '6ft loop (i'd be happy if me..) and not up to the standard of Mr Broadbent, but if you are that touchy ..... take a chill pill dude and dust off that old pole board ... as kitesurfing obvoiusly ain't for you with that attitude!
"Meet me at Shakers..." ..... what ..... are you fucken 12 or something?

fuc, u c wat lac of blow does 2 every1, sends us all loopy, oops slip of the tounge there, sorry

response to guest (as opposed to other 'guests'): no-one would mistake you for anyone else if you identified yourself in some way. it can be quite hard distinguishing between all the anonymous 'one hit wonders' with shocking spelling and remedial english skills.

in a moment of clarity you write: "last time i checked, this sport was all about just doing your own thing, in your own way, & in your own manner and just enjoying yourself" - my initial point exactly. to recap, i reckon it's generally lame dissing people who are doing the above - hoping the exploits of someone else will rub off on them, by association - in this case without the experiential pain of actually knowing what they're talking about.

forgive me, but that kind of twat has always wound me up in many sports i've been involved in. maybe not so for you, and good karma to you.

kiteboarding is for me - i've been happily doing it almost daily for the last four years or so, without your advice. i have no plans to stop and no, i am 33.

As an ex Anabatic customer amd wanting to Kite-Loop oneday, i say lee is a bit of a goon. Should we not try something if we cant do it as good as a National Champion?!?!?!?!? Would he mock us on his webpages if we dared?!?!?

HEY SHAAN!

I SEE THERE ALSO OFFERING FREE LESSONS TO ANY LEVEL AT ANASPASTICS WEBSITE>>>>WHY DONT YOU GET LEE TO TIDY UP YOUR KITELOOPING TECNIQUE?

Hi All,

I was just giving Gavin Broadbent a compliment on how he rides. Not sure what all the fuss is about or how you could get bent out shape about it.
What I wrote was all positive and gavins Kite Loops Rock.
No way was i dissing his Loops!


Shame on you all who think I am not encouraging Kiters to try new things.
I have enjoyed many a day on the beach watching Ian, Shaan, Gav, Tim and others get into Kitelooping plus a bundle of other moves.
It is fucking great to watch. New moves balls out attitude.
Kiteboarding rocks!

i have also spent many a long day chewing the fat over Kite loops and many other moves. i have my reasons for liking the way Gavin does them.
To me they just look the best. I'm not quite ready to try them for myself.
Mike and I plus a bunch of others have been playing the Slingshot DVD over and over in the shop as it has probably the best Kite loop I have ever seen on it.
Seems to have fueled Mike's enthusiasm for more mad antics at the beach. Just blows the mind watching it.

I am pleased to say/brag that while you were all bitchn on the Forum i was enjoying my day off. two huge sessions at Shakespear bay with Muzza, Carl and Stu.
Just a friendly crew at the beach.
Pretty sure I recognised Shaans truck heading out just when I was heading home and Brad rang and woke me from my recovery slumber for a wind check.
Looked like it was on out there for the rest of the day. So I imagine everyone grabbed a good session.

My rib has just about setteled back into place so that was my first good ride since my injury.
As I can't risk another 4-6 weeks off the water, I'll leave the loops till winter. Or for when I've grown some bigger balls.

I'm still trying to figure out how to do that awesome front roll thingy Slingshot Richy does.

Peace, Love and a Merry Christmas to you all.

Lee McClelland
Anabatic Kiteboarding
www.anabatic.co.nz

ps , Wind and Kite issue two for summer is out now.
Loads of free copies in the shop.
Amazing photo of Kane with a board off and huge air. Plus he has written a great article about another hot move that I can't do yet

Word.....Brother!!!!

good on ya lee - you're not an all bad old codger. you do completely avoid the point in your response though (no one thought your were dissing gavin for god's sake) but who cares?

seems like you do have some sort of glitch about the kiteloop subject and are often heard promoting your theories based on video watching and 'fat chewing'. i liken your ringside pontifications to me rocking up to the tuaman and telling him he has a pissweak psuedo-uppercut and that only lennox lewis can throw a real one, with obvious results.

peace and aloha anyway!

That rich coming from you - the self appointed authority on everything from kite competitions to freedom of speech if you spent less time pointing out the (so called) inadequacies in others and more time containing your own over inflated and under developed ego the kiteboarding fraternity would be way better off. If you are so into good will, peace to all and kiteboarding why dont ya practice what ya preach instead of gobbing off anyone and everyone who does not follow the Shaan Miller needle dick path, why not actually put something back into the sport.

oh yea - peace and aloha to you too

hey jack, how are you my favourite little cretinous tweakhead? i have put a hell of a lot into this sport - but i won't give you a list for fear of boring everyone else, many of whom are well aware of my contributions over the years.

have you ever kited yourself?

any further information on your event-organising experience?

seems to me like you've got some sort of frustrated ego thing going on yourself. you want to hear your own voice and see your words blinking on the screen but sadly have nothing intelligible to say.

I kite with you on a regular basis - and have done for about the last 3 years -

Stop making out that you don't know who I am.

really? i don't have the first clue. when i say: "i don't know jack" - i really mean it.

i know jack webb from my days on maui but that's it. sorry to burst your delusion.

oh I see your in denial.
don't want to remember our bedroom antics

bitch

actually i did mention my suspicion once, that 'jack' is in fact derek teensma - and note you or he haven't denied this. his boss did vehemently deny it on derek's behalf although how he would know what his minions are up to when they're not bringing him cups of tea and carrying out his executive orders on the dumbing down of various sports remains unclear.

have you got me mixed up with your gay lover? apparently from your oblique reference to bedroom antics - you are that way inclined.

ha ha

hmmm, yes... all totally related to kite-looping and 'kiteboarding culture' (as mentioned in another post, also pls note usage of single quotes)

AN INDUSTRY INSIDER HAS FORWARDED ME THIS STUNING ANNOUNCEMENT; 2004 will be BIGGER
Due to the success of the Australian development we are now expandingWind and Kite Magazine into the US and Canadian market, this is a huge step for us and NZ publishing.

The first issue to travel will be theMarch issue,there will be no changes to the New Zealand or Australian print run or distribution, just an additional extension on the print run - with new barcodes.

no costs are being passed on to the New Zealand advertisers - we simply hope that you will be able to capitalise on the access to new markets.

PERFECT! THE SEPPOS EXPORT TERROR TO THE THIRD WORLD - & - AOTEARAOA SEND IT BACK IN THE FORM OF WIND & SHITE!!

Derek Teensma here, Editor W&K


The above quotes and discussions are the very reason I stopped entering this kite forum, it seems to be full of negative bitching about a sport I feel very positive about.

I received an e-mail from a friend of mine ‘Dewet’ (kiter) who is visiting his family across the other side of the world – he thought he’d check out what da boys are up to back home on da forum! He told me my name came up in some discussion that involved Shane and some character calling himself Jack Off.

Shane, I am very disappointed that you would think that it was me bleating and ranting on your forum. I thought I had made myself clear that day, I want nothing more to do with this kind of behaviour or your forum while this is continuing. I do believe it could be used in a positive way but currently clearly isn’t.

I think it’s time you took a look at yourself and ask who is the common denominator in all these waste of cyber space discussions – you are!

Shane, as a writer you can be very entertaining when channelled. Why the hell do you bother getting involved in these waste of time discussions boy.

I’ve said my bit… and Jack who ever you may be – give it a rest big boy!

If any of you cats have anything to say about Wind and Kite – I’m always keen to hear your thoughts.

P.S I think you meant Aotearoa

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Peace, Love and Hugs

Derek Teensma

hey big guy, thanks for joining us. that narrows jack's identity down further to just 2,500 kiters i've ridden with in the last three years. pretty dull mystery really.

hey derek, my name is shaan! no offence taken.

thanks for clarifying why you no longer enter this forum. you seemed to use it fine when it suited you for marketing your fiji trip. how each individual uses it is totally up to them and from my observations, virtually everyone uses it for positive reasons - at least most of the time.

as you know, every field of human endeavour has negative aspects to it - and this ends up being a place where some people try to resolve, debate or inflame issues that are important to them. that's life.

i'm not sure exactly what day you are referring to.

as for me, i am often drawn into discussions by my name being brought up also. i choose to respond on a case by case basis and directly answer any questions that are raised, or correct any untruths etc. when thus engaged, i am totally comfortable discussing the issue whether it be on the net, on the phone, in person or any other process, particularly if i'm passionate about the subject - which like you - i am about all things kiteboarding.

unlike a lot of people i don't actually take any of this too seriously, what's important is kiting, and secondly - kiting.

fuc u guys stop it aleady,its summer we got blow go to it...

Nah, keep it up, go hard out. The controversy is what adds spice. 'Negative' is a relative perspective anyway and I don't find at least 80% of it overly negative. This is the place to hear all the bitching and gossip and trash that folks usually wouldn't say when not hiding behind a keyboard. For squeeky clean reading pick up a kiting mag (not the Aussie rag obviously, in which I still find good reading hidden away months later).
Other forums are all so damn positive and pedantically informative that they bore me senseless.
You see the words bleat and rant above? They were there from the start, and for a reason. This place gets moderated where necessary, and those who come here and find it all a bit heavy or negative must live a pretty rosey insular existance. The only thing that makes it all fall down is that most of the non-mellifluous discourse is care of Mr/Ms Nobody. Anons are meek.

maybe the meek WILL inherit the earth. where does that leave the foreshore?

will we still have our customary rights?

Maybe we as kitesurfers should go down to the behive and say that we had ownership of the beaches before ANYONE came on the earth.... ya know people way back in the stone ages were kitesurfing, the beaches were theirs... then the T rexes came along and though we tasted quite good..... oh yes and that Asteroid tended to smash us all up too.... found fossils of the very first kite.

... as for kiteloops... to those who haven't done em... I strongly suggest you try em... i'm at the stage where mine are called "psuedo kiteloops"... then again i've been spanked a few times discovering what happens when you don't commit.... try em. Maybe i'll see the master himself do some real hardcore jobs up at Shakers next time it's cranking... eh Gav!

"Pseudo" actually, wordsmith Shaan's mistake originally.

Kiteloop, kiteloop kiteloop... kiteloop this kiteloop that blah blah blah.

Finally a distinguishing move has come along which makes those pushing 50 feel special cause they can do it. All it takes is balls, not so much technical skill. A lot of the old Windsurfing converts around here were doing rotations with kiteloops 3-4 years ago, of course they were unintentional then, and often left them scratching their heads at the sight of twist free lines. And of course it is not really a new thing either. The true originator of the kiteloop is I think Franz Olry, who on his home turf in Cabarete 2001 world tour was pulling 30ft grabbed 3 or 4 rotations with full kiteloop to super lit toeside landings. No one else would try it then. Martin Vari only just scraped through, but actually the riders on the beach pretty much thought Franz was the ripper at that particular snapshot in time/event.

The Aussies have largely bypassed this kiteloop fervour and bleat on about mobe this, KGB that, L3, Magnum...nup. Technical ballsy power moves, done high and ta da... the kite loops anyway as a bonus byproduct of altitude and swinging off of one end of the stick.

I've noticed a theme in NZ kiteboarding style over the years - that of staying secure in the lazyboy-chair-harness, with precious few exploring the possibilities of 'unhooked'. Why for that silly?

well spotted poor spelling there, lee actually started that and i perpetuated it by copying and pasting from his site, then mispelling it myself at a later date.

i agree with many of your thoughts on the original subject - there's much more to life than kiteloops (even for those who are into doing them) and we have a long way to go yet, especially in the direction of un-hooked grunt moves.

Ah well the moves for 2004 then.... bring on the unhooked power moves!!

throw in a few kiteloops... heck if ya screw up then just let go of the bar... everyone's happy.

back to kiteloops. it's amazing how a session of enamel painting can sharpen the mind.

there is a hell of a lot of hype about them and as you and i know kane, there are many different examples of this genre; kiteloops where the rider remains facing the kite, kiteloops where the rider rotates the same way as the kite (forward or reverse), rotates the opposite way to the kite (single, double, triple or quad, grabbed, boned, twirled etc). some kiteloops are high, some swing low, some happen in an instant, some are stalled and drawn out, some start heelside and end blind, some start toeside and end deaf in one ear.

in short, there are kiteloops and kiteloops. what cracks me up is when wowsers make statements on e-groups like: "a kiteloop is not a kiteloop unless the rider is higher than the kite!" and other irrational claims. i ask, what does a man call it when his kite loops while he's in the air but for whatever reason he peaks a millimetre lower than his kite? oh, that's right a pseudo kiteloop.

i hark back to last year when trumpet came on with them at the nationals, and i was one of the morons (who was barely surface kitelooping) who made snide remarks about trumpet's low altitude manoeuvres, which i now understand were all that was possible with a 19m in those conditions on the poo-pond.

had it been a whole lot windier, i'm sure we would have seen some very ballsy examples and 'mad dave' might not have seemed so mad after all - he could have even won the contest.

one more thing that i omitted from my comprehensive spiel on this subject in W&K is even the highest, ballsiest, most technical kiteloop is still inferior to one average multi-bottom turn wave ride.

p.s. kane - i have briefly seen your article in W&K re: technical moves and am looking forward to reading it but as yet haven't had the opportunity. can you copy and paste it into here?

Bla bla bla Kitelooping is so yesterday...I've managed to loop me 15m while unhooked and I cant even plane yet...now the real skill is in looping your kite through the waves and coming up with a couple of crays or some scallops...

make sure you stay within your limit
9 crays, 25 scollies as many loops as you want

I got a funny feeling we're gonna hear from Saddam soon?

Shaan wrote: "can you copy and paste it into here?"

Nah, curl up in bed with a mag and a nip of sambuca and then maybe in your dreams...

Yeah Trumpet would have done well if it had been 20+ knots, quite possibly a different outcome, but one trick/theme doesn't secure a nationals heat, gotta mix it up. Good to give him the credit for pushing it that way first though. I liked his layed out tantrum style kiteloops off waves at Kina better, that was his day in the sun. You indulged in a gluttonous helping of bottoms turns of course - and there's a snippet of footage in "Random Shit" of Gavin doing a 540 to surface 3 in front of a set at Kina, which ends with him toeside, 'no hands' arms flailing to get the bar which is fag belted to his back, just 10 metres upwind of the rocks. That's balls out commitment.

uh Saddam is not here

he is out practising his kitelooping

:roll:

Kane I read your handle pass feature in the kite mag - twas good - helpful too -

Cool sequence too. Nice shootin' Chris.

Yes he's kiting with some American GIs right this minute. I hear Bush is gonna join him 4 a sesh.

I like the second photo where it looks like I'm trying hard to squeeze one out. There are quite a few good blowfish pics in the mag too... Mr Ordonez, Shannon Best, Decay, Roper and Gavin

A drab 'CANTERBURY CHAMPIONSHIPS' morning here, 2 knots NE and high cloud. Forecast - a lee trough NE rising to 20 knots with a front this evening about when the first muscles, melanzane and carciofi get slapped on the BBQ. SW or hopefully S tomorrow at Eels mere.

Was 15-20 at the beach yesterday with a lot of riders very seriously squeezing in some last gasp training and preparation for the event.

a drab CHRISTMAS PARTY HANGOVER morning here (it's 3.30pm and i have just managed to crawl into my office to check my suspicions that i've missed a whole day of NW kiting).

my thoughts re: capture of saddam. it is obvious he was a clear and present danger to his own people and neighbours - the footage of his last kitchen showed every chance of him starting a nasty cooking fire and burning down his mud hut. the deluded old bugger will be far safer inside an american compound, getting three square a day and plenty of stimulating conversation with his former CIA controllers.

what would really make a great christmas would be george w. bush, donald rumsfield and a bunch of other war criminals getting locked up and tried by the iraqi people for their crimes over the last year, decade and beyond. i wonder who would get the harshest punishment?

it's a pity the seppos and brits have completely trashed the place with depleted uranium ammo (a form of nuclear warfare and by any standard, a weapon of mass destruction that continues to cause cancers for ever) otherwise i was thinking of suggesting the euphrates as an alternative location for the 'nationals'. at least there are always nuclear winds in iraq.