someone explain it too me.


is this a back loop followed by a downloop at the top of a mark to get speed for a down wind run?

or is it a down loop followed by a front loop?

i guess its the back loop/down loop combo. that was giving me the greatest down wind wang.

its a front loop to give it some wang to get it really into zeneth followed by a downturn EXCEPT the kite is facing downwind (trailing edge upwind) at the start of the downturn (apex and zeneth)

so imagine this....i am pulling you faster than x amount windspeed in the van, exactly downwind, this means your kite would have to follow you, facing your direction of travel....your kite still thinks its windy, which of course it is as you're traveling faster than the wind, but you are infact going straight downwind with you kite chasing you from zeneth...
thats a suicide jybe, but there are some things you need to do,if you don't have a van...which of course you won't...

firstly, you need to be going faster than the wind..

secondly, it only works if you get the kite up into zeneth or you slackline hard...to do this you throw a hard downloop and lean against it to build energy but allow just enough to bleed off so you dont snap lines (you will be going oneway and the kine the opposite, anyway...practice thatone...use that energy to throw the kite into zeneth and steer downwind, the faster your going in comparison to the wind the longer you can stay pointed downwind with the kite following you, then when you wanna steer the mark you drop the kite into the wind as you start to steer against the wind again..

now, all thats happening is this.....your static flying...your kite is at direct zeneth flying in the usual way, now try turning the kite around 180degrees so its flying straight at the ground....

pretty messy....maybe even wont work atall right, everyhting goes baggy and slack....well try the same move but with the kite moving quickly through the air, throw it as high into zeneth as you can and turn it right over so the trailing edge is upwind and fly it straight down and roll it out from the very top...
thats where the first underloop comes in, you dont need to do it, it just helps to built the energy to throw the kite to zeneth.

VOILLA suicide jybe, awesome for superfast downwind driftless turns.

hmmm.... i'm even more confused now.

here's what i was doing and you can tell me what move it is if infact its a move at.

Hooning upwind top my top mark. going left i upturn zing kite right the and back loop the kite behind me on my right had side. rather than contiueing the loop on my right i hold the kite low and wang it back through the powerzone. That gives me a huge wang downwind and right. The kites now going left again and on the wrong side of the window so i downloop and wang it back through the powerzone for another insane shoot of speed.

So its a big loop from one side of the window to the oher followed by a figure 8 from one side to the other.

anythings a move if you can repeat it and figour out when a good time to use it is, you should give it a name bro

its definently not a suiside jybe coz your not running with the wind, id imagine its almost the polar opposite as your almost under full load for the entire duration of the transition where in a suicide gjbe at one point the kite is addind zero energy...

it could be close when you zing the kite but its always facing upwind at zeneth, youd have to rotate it right at the top, like a zeneth loop.

there is a video on popeyes web site

cheers jimmy.



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It's the best way to stop / slow down from a speed run at the mooseland. like this, you running down wind so fast that you start over taking the kite, you loop the kite 180 and fly it into wind as you are still going down wind pulling the kite lines tight as the kite goes across the other side you turn the buggy up wind to follow the kite as the kite dives back into the power and then back into the wind again, you keep following it. so you are doing big circles, and so is the kite in one directions ( clock wise, say)do as many full circles as it takes to stop ( 2 sometimes 3 )

it's just as much buzz as going fast

how the F@#* did you discover that..??

so your actualy buggying around the kite?

The first time it just, sort of happened.I was going down wind on a SW er ( heading north )and when I got to were the kite surfers park and play, I had nowhere to go and the kite was all mushy so I flicked the kite 180 and off it went with me chasing it,at 80k and around we went.

If you think about it, as if your a bird ( gannet ) looking from above, you and the kite are going around a circles with the kite on one side and you on the other.
the circles are more a egg shape with the pointy end into wind to keep the lines tight.

I think there is a speed you have to be doing before trying it, to make it work ( 50 + is my gut feeling ).But don't try this a home kids, We are professionals.

yikes! i think thats like a deadmans turn pete, shouldnt you insert "crazy mofo" after proffesional ??

well i think there needs to be an expression session at the bbb of all these carzy turns. damn hard to visualise.

I'm so happy I'm not the only one that can't get the concept...I'd have to see one in action to understand it. Maybe the Wind Warrior will show me one day

Yup, what I've been doing is more of a Dead mans turn.


suicide gybe is easier to see in this vid




I think it is only useful if you are on a dry lake going down wind !

(quote)
"Ping went the line"...?????

Yeah..that's encouraging!!..LOL

first time i saw one i went a bit crosseyed...diddnt get it atall...had no idea what was going on....

ages later i realised he was towing the kite downwind, and that was problem i was having...in my mind kites wont fly downwind.when i relised what was going on i went a bit more crosseyed and gurned slightly.

so thers just one concept to get, kites will fly downwind....

everything eles you already know, timing, linetention feel and throwing loops..

listen to obi-whan-canobi here, you have to feel the force....i diddnt feel it once and snapped a line down in raglan and almost took my eye out, actualy had a black eye.

heres some steps to try.

1.kiting along,slightly downwind,going faster than the wind. kite at any comfortably loopable hight.

2a.frontloop the kite hard (kite on right=anticlockwize) no brake input, maitain higest possible airspeed...CHUCK THAT F#$$@R right round out the back and up, you need it to go UP, really UP.

2b.as the load comes in from the chuck, use it to throw you round into your gybe, dont slackline at this point (TIMING).keep lines loaded, but not to much or you eat speed (feel it) or smap lines.

3.at the point where your facing down wind your kite should have finished its loop with plenty of airspeed and be fairley and squarley on it way up to zeneth from a point over your right sholder.the higer you got it to begin with, the better....your using energy now pulling the kite to zenenh, it is nolonger suplying you with power.this energy will run out fast.

4.at some point very soon your kite will be right above your head, following you, you will be rolling downwind, you are about to have a mind enema.

5.the wholl rolling downwind bit will now be thought of as just the down wind bit of a huge semicircle,180 degree turn, you are now about complete and carry on in the other direction

5b.as you near completion of this turn, drop your kite (now on your left sholder) back into the wind......you just did a suicide jybe

6.celibrate by crashing your kite into something, it is now your slave.

things to keep in mind..

going fast is good, but you only need to be going faster than the wind
smooth is better.
throw the loop hard and fast
looped kites are angry and dangerous kites, be carefull...dont try and hold the loop back, let it go (flow) with it....YOU SHOULD NOT scrub,slide,drift in any way...this is lost energy that you really need.
it wont stay up there all day, commit to your turn and roll it out...as soon as your out the other side, drop the kite and get the lines tight again.

do not blame me for the fustration,broken stuff caused by trying this move, they diddnt call it a suicide gybe because they had a secse of humor.

hehe haha, mind enima, more gurning.... you have to show me this a the bbb Al.

PS I don't think i can do the move as i slide and go back the opposite direction.

I will show you my upturn, backloop downturn triple powerzone wang fest too.

it was more of a poo face than a gurn to be honest..

triple powerzone wang fest, thats almost dirty..i love it.
youv just named a move
if ever ther was a name to insite fear into a rider it would be the plumbtree triple p wang
teach me.

oh dear wang fest does sound like an all bloke party..... none the less its names now and i'll be happy to show you the ways of wang.

Is the Wang Fest open to anyone
and if so is it going to be a fancy dress party as well

hmmm i don't know fancy dressed wangs just sound wrong.