righto here are the preposed dates. they sorta get swallowed in the orginal 90 mile beach thread.

We decide on the thursday night before. Make call based on the wind forecast.

If you are a 100% definate then pm me your email adress and ph number so we can do the final tee up on thurday night/friday morn.

Date one
2009/05/09 03:02 -1.17
2009/05/09 09:08 1.24
2009/05/09 15:21 -1.31
2009/05/09 21:35 1.25
2009/05/10 03:41 -1.17
2009/05/10 09:47 1.22
2009/05/10 15:59 -1.30

Date two
2009/05/23 01:44 -1.11
2009/05/23 07:53 1.25
2009/05/23 14:09 -1.36
2009/05/23 20:25 1.3
2009/05/24 02:33 -1.23
2009/05/24 08:41 1.35
2009/05/24 14:56 -1.47
2009/05/24 21:13 1.41

Date three
2009/06/06 01:56 -0.95
2009/06/06 08:03 1.04
2009/06/06 14:18 -1.13
2009/06/06 20:33 1.08
2009/06/07 02:40 -0.99
2009/06/07 08:45 1.06
2009/06/07 14:58 -1.17
2009/06/07 21:14 1.1

Date four
2009/06/20 00:19 -0.92
2009/06/20 06:29 1.07
2009/06/20 12:50 -1.17
2009/06/20 19:09 1.10
2009/06/21 01:17 -1.05
2009/06/21 07:26 1.19
2009/06/21 13:45 -1.31
2009/06/21 20:03 1.26

question.

are we going to Nuke from Ahipara? or hook in a waipapakauri

The problem i see going from ahipara is the beach is west facing there and and faded to s/w by waipapakauri.

So if the wind is good for the main beach it might be too down windish for the ahipara end. inversly if we start at ahipara and the wind is good we could end up on a massive 70km upwind haul.....
what are your thoughts.

www.90milebeach.co.nz/Utils/doc/tepaki.htm

long range forecast for 90 mile this weekend is 30knots s/w and rain

still to far out, to start talking weather.
but it's look a little wet for the drive.
that system is going though faster than is shown
not that it will make to much differents

27 knot, whoo, it's blurr time
so I'll be out in it somewhere

rain is a no go for me, to much diesel for a bad weather trip, and camping sucks just sucks....
27knots tho, sounds like a race day

I am in rain or shine but I do agree its a bit far out to predict at this stage. Over the last few weeks I have started doing weather predictions based on PredictWind, Metservice and Windguru for the Wellington Kite forum. So far I have been right on the money for the Wellington area. I am going to track the forecasts on a daily basis for 90 mile beach here:

www.google.com/notebook/public/086699696...wk#SDQVnDAoQr9K4wpAk

If anyone has any comment they want to add to the predictions then let me know. I also have a Metservice contact who I can double check the forecast with closer to the time.

sweet. well its good to see greater minds than mine working on the weather.

For me i can handle showers but continious rain is a no goer. the main limiting factor for me is wind. i can handle upto 25 gusting to 30 but that is way overpowered. its allright for jumping around but for speed runs it will be dangerious. still haven't found the funds to get me a high wind kite to take me from 25 to 40knots.

i'll probably have to bow out if the forecast calls for higher than 25knots.

if it all looks perfect but a bit windy to fly your manta you can use my 8.0m arc.....its about a 6.0m projected and would suit you at thoes wind speeds.
i dont mind a bit of a spattering of rain, solong as the sun comes out an drys your kite again.
weather is still a bit mystery to me, i just do what windguru says on the day

I have a 5 m Ozone frenzy 90 (2007)sitting in my garage that hasn't had much use. I brought it for snow kiting but ended up using my inflatable so haven't had much use for it.

If anyone doesn't want to camp due to weather, I can recommend the Endless Summer Lodge hostel, right on the beach at Ahipara. Very clean, cheap and really spot on for the beach, I've stayed here a couple of times and I just assemble buggy in hostel carpark walk across the road and your on the beach ready to go.

Hostel link (via bbh website)

www.bbh.co.nz/listings.aspx?bbh=detail&a...id=213&hid=20263

They sent me an e-mail and they say that this weekend is forecasting a huge swell and all the surfers are heading to the bay, and with the swell they forecast the rain

Here's hoping they have that wrong

I too only have a couple of kites here in NZ (12 Phantom and 16 Venom), but when I return to the UK for a short break I intend to bring my Fixed bridels back, then I have Kite for all winds

Ziggi

is anybody eles going up on friday?

me.
i was going to soft out and drive to auckland friday then drive up sat. then i thought stuff it. i'll get up early and do an epic drive of 8 to 9 hours and then get to the beach around low tide. to do some pre-beach nuking runs to ensure my set up is good for the following day.

presuming ofcourse good weather.

ps should we be considering the massive swell aswell? if thats super huge it will threaten to swallow even the biggest of low tides..... at the very least dramatically reduce our usable beach window.

90 mile looks as good as it gets for weather currently but you need to be 3 days out to see for sure. For now it looks like 15-20 knots SW and the odd shower. Id say a 5 hour window for tides based on the swells. Im not going if its on mothers day but if you need some tyres changed etc ill be there in the prep work before the trip lads

im hoping to hit murs on saturday with the kenda tyres and a grooved duro at the front , dont worry about me ill make the most of what i can do

friday is look very wet and sat looking damp,with good winds 20knots sw
sunday may go light 10 knots or less ,I'm picking it will go 5knots or less
but lets see what happens tomorrow

I may see you at the beach sat after all jimmy,
some how having fun but a little sad

yea, im keen for a trip to muirs, or the moose if 90mile dosnt go.

damm looking a bit wet i might be missing this one BUT w'ill see

I have updated the forecast here but it appears largely unchanged from the beginning of the week. PredictWind has Saturday up around the 30 knot range. Windguru is a little more conservative with mid to low 20 knots. What you have to realise is that these are average values and do not account for the gusts which could easily be 5-10 knots more. Everyone is forecasting the same basic pattern, so timing of when the brunt of the front comes through will determine if we will get mid 20s or 30 or not. Yep still forecasting showers and big surf. Don't know where you are getting the 5 -10 knots from on Sunday?
Who is going to make the call about whether to go or not? When is the decision going to be made? Happy to go with the group consensus on this as this is not really my mission.
www.google.com/notebook/public/086699696...04/BDQgBDQoQt5nggIwk

We will make the decision tomorrow. I suggest thats the latest we can leave it before starting travelling. It will be a group decision but at the end of the day if Al pulls pin our support vehicle gone so that will be the decider.

Based on the current rain prediction and henious wind I will not go. its a long way to drive to get wet and cold and have your tent blow away in 40 knot winds and torential rain during the night. But before i make my official call ill wait till tomorrow to see if there is any change in the predictions.

In a Cruel twist of fate i am going to Veitnam on busniness in the middle of June. That will fry my chances for june 90mile..... ahhhhh.

yeah, i can only do may, by june i'll be up to my eye balls in snow

and pizza

well im happy from 18 to 35knots...sw to ssw or nw nnw (i think there the good directions) id be jumping up an down unable to contain myself if it was 25knots, sunny an downwind in witchever direction were going..(then id be calling)..if we are in constant rain im out,
if i have to endure a torrential downpoor then sun i am still going, if its light spatterings of rain ill still go.
its just constant rain makes me wanna burst into tears.
i am not a weather man so am in the weather mens hands....
i would probably chance it an go this weekend because we have good wind, i havnt got much of a worry about the swell becauce were on a full moon and should have heaps of beach unless were in some funny lunar month where lowtides are really crap
.....if we stick togeather we can shelter in the van if we get a downpoor...
im waiting for everyone to get exited...
for me, thats the right time to go...
at the moment everybodrs a bit dubius an thinking of rain and rightly so...
i think itl clear up by the weekend but im not betting my diesel on my own weatherman skills.
for me the adventure is doing it with all you guys, .if you go, im going....ahhhhhh i know,i know.

to me it looks like awsome awsome wind and 2mm of rain in 6 hours, that i can live with....it looks like the main rain center will miss us by 80kms or more...
im willing to go.
thats my weather update...i dont really know it im right or not.

ok. i'll stop being soft then. if its showers and 30 knots i'll go. i'll just need to borrow kites. Yaker i'll take your offer for the 5m frenzy. Al i'm abit scared of your ancient arcs.... the safeties etc ar not up to current standard. Jimmy if you have spare tiny racekites yaks, blurs that sort of stuff and are prepaired to lend for the weekend i'll take them. would need a swivel thing to connect to harness.

PS if i do any borrowing of kit the prostitute theory will apply. "I F@#$ it I pay for it"

Let us make the call on this thread between 12 and 3 tomorrow.

on a side note is anyone not planning to nuke the entire beach? if there are 2 guys keen to share driving/kiting up the beach then we can take another vehicle.

Having done a few long distance mission I really appreciate more wind rather than less. 30 knots is perfect for me as it get you there quicker. The rain doesn't matter cus I am going to be wet anyway. The surf for me is however going to be a battle on a kite board but that all part of the adventure. I just don't want to push anyone into kiting in conditions they weren't comfortable with because of the group majority.
Is there anyone that can give me and my girlfriend a ride from Auckland if it does go ahead?

yep i will have an empty car. just need to time the pick up.
will your girlfreind drive a vehicle up the beach as support? how fast do you generally fang on the water? is averaging 50kph or more the sort speeds your expecting through the surf?

i'm liking the crew it spells epic adventure.
ps are you one of the guys that did cook straight and back?

Yep I am one of the Cook Strait guys ( yakers.co.nz ). I have VHF radios and Spot messenger units so tracking me and the vehicle shouldn't be a problem. I will probably average around 12-14 knots (over 100km) peaks around 25 knots depending on the surf. Really I have no idea if I will be faster or slower than you guys and really ultimately determined by how often I bail and have to battle with the surf.
I need to talk to my girlfriend tonight about if she is coming or not.

well i went for a session to test some stuff and found out some things we did know and a few we diddnt..

first...the wind is indeed cranking...almost southwesterly with just a touch of north....would make it a cape riange>ahipara run if we did it today for example, you need to actualy go kiting to feel it but the northern hint is definently their making all the difference...important.

there are jellyfish everywhere...kind of annoying but endup acting as slalomfish:P

their is indeed a huge swell,massive... i was at murawai about an hour after low and their was no beach when their would normaly be 20/30m of hard sand....today it was all soft and waterlogged with tiny hard high sections....this will end any hopes of a hard fast nuke.....plummet i think you would struggle unless it was a real downwinder...this is a big problem, more than the rain.
my barrows were working but it was squidgy.

im all full up in the van this weekend mate, got no seats left.
going up fiday ,about lunchtime setoff from my house fit that helps timing in any way

FAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRKKK!!!!!

FAAAARRRRRRRK.

my oldest girl has just started vomiting.... what does that mean? all 3 kids and most likley myself and the wife will be vomitting in the next couple of days.

unless there's some freakn miracle i can't make this weekend. i might be a hard man but i can't leave the missis with vomiting children.....


faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark. absolutly gutterd.

sorry yaker. no lift from me. i'll pm you the other guys ph numbers.
gggrrrrrr. i'm just going to find the boys cot and through all the toys out of it...

Al 90 mile is WAY harder than muriwai. probably wont have too much problem. your usable hard sand window will be alot less than normal.

ps i can pretty much board right up to the completely dry sand with the grannies. tho in the soft poo speed is way down.

I'm selfish;y hoping you guys pull pin so i can get go next time.

It's still wet and changing, good winds thou.
I think, I may be bowing out and go for the next date on the list.
( what a piker)

as numbers are dropping like flys by a raid can

ok...agreed...next time.

as the driver, (with the red bull girls... as everybody wants...)
i agree we should go for sunny weather
mint!!!

bummer.....
even cut all the wotsits off my tyres so i could beat gannet.

i have a 1/3 grooved duro maybe murs on sat/sunday just a casual one , cross the creek and go a couple of clicks up the beach ? tides are 3pm/4pm

Ah oh well next time then. For the record here was my best guess about what the weather is going to do at this stage. If anyone makes it up there let me know if the forecast is on the money.

Bulk of the wind (40 knots) looks like it is going to go through on Friday evening and back off to mid (25) knots WSW by mid morning. Trend is for wind to further ease in the afternoon to low 20 knots W. Wind could be variable with light patches and gusts. Periods of light showers (less than 2mm) and big surf should be expected. Wave face size is forecast for 5m building to 6m. In reality I would expect to see at least a super solid 3-4 m swell with good period 13-15 sec (good space between waves- makes it easier on a kiteboard).

Ah oh well next time then. For the record here was my best guess about what the weather is going to do at this stage. If anyone makes it up there let me know if the forecast is on the money.

Bulk of the wind (40 knots) looks like it is going to go through on Friday evening and back off to mid (25) knots WSW by mid morning. Trend is for wind to further ease in the afternoon to low 20 knots W. Wind could be variable with light patches and gusts. Periods of light showers (less than 2mm) and big surf should be expected. Wave face size is forecast for 5m building to 6m. In reality I would expect to see at least a super solid 3-4 m swell with good period 13-15 sec (good space between waves- makes it easier on a kiteboard).

More detail at:
www.google.com/notebook/public/086699696...04/BDQgBDQoQt5nggIwk

hmmmm..... sounds not too bad. ahhhh...... well you guys can change your minds and go for it. no other kids are vomiting yet so touch wood they wont. if thats the case i may be able do a super early drive up sat morn to get to the beach by mid day.

thou sunday is looking pretty bad rain wise. winds between 13 and 20 knots.

we are grounded as roffey has now made other plans due to rain, and unfortunetly has to go to a wedding on the next dates so might need a fill in driver if weather looks good for effort#2
very keen to do a muirs mission and even more so to do a moose or even a minimoose saturday nite if weather clears up?

you are keen low is about 3pm ish

id say is 15-20 knots s/w as i said earlier on in the week, saturday arvo looks like light showers , nothing too bad. it might be Blurr time !!! or Yak , who cares either way its going to rock. Kite harness Load cell and GPS will be fully charged !!!

i'm working on my mate paul in auckland to drive. he used to buggy with you guys but has since lost the buss. we'll see if i can convince him.

it would have to be a free trip for him. no petrol, accomidation cost. Also we would need to fit his SUP (stand up paddle board) on someones car. it wont fit on mine.

how does that karma thing work? i think someone is on a karma frenzy....mine seems to go up every day an jimmy, somebody must love you dude, you might have a stalker!
and whats that green line for?

yea, maby we leave mini moosing till the summer eh its a bit cold, im seriuly bonding with my furry slippers right now!

whats hapening with the bbbb?

we can probably get a paddleboard on the van roof, but itl be tight, theirs 3 buggys up their but ther all in bags so it should sit on top.

when you are logged on you can click once every 6 hours on a post someone has made if you agree with it or whatever by clicking the green thumb, it makes the karma number bigger. I think the green line is related to the number of posts until you go to the next level of forum god or whatever, purely based on number of posts you make i think.

every time i log on i give someone a karma point , inc you buddy

good karma has to be better than bad karma i guess hehe , a stalker you say , hmm ...

bbbb is overdue , not sure if charley is sorting a location or not ?! last year the weather was a bit off. Port waikato , baileys ?!?!

as for cold i have some good gear to go nuking the beach to bits, a full face and armoured jacket with zipped lining plus some warm gloves. there is usually one month of the year its too cold and i flag it, but this aint the month , esp with a blurr and kendas to try and more load cell results to log.

muriwai sat 3.38pm low

I'll be on the beach about 12.30 ish

it's been so long I think I'm going to nuke it,
all of it, and then do it a second time just to make shore

mini moose is on.
myself and perrin will travel up to the moose at 11.30am ish sat morning and stay overnight, rexton(jemmiboar) will join us slightly later after work.
mooose moooose mooose.

how did the moose go buddy ? i saw rexton in his car off up there later in the day. i got 74.1 kmph on sat some where that shall remain nameless with the blurr 2.5, pete 77kmph with his lead bullet.

awesome jimmy , a dam good speed

just need a little more lead in your the keel/ or eat more pies

that wind was up and down ,lucky we didn't go to 90 mile,
plummet would have kick our buts,I made so many kite changes,
started on a 2.5 blurr went to a 3.5 rage,then a 5 yak, back down to a 3.4 yak
and finshed with the 2.5 blurr all in 5 hours

may be I need a 8m/10m mante in the kit

but I still showed the blokants up
they look so slow doing 50 kms when I'm doing 70 kms

nice speed gentlemen. good warm up for the nintey mile. me i hade a lumpy cross shore and about 1cm of water sitting on the whole beach and soft poo sand.... sob, cry, whimper, weaze.

jimmy not too far to the 50mph club. oooh.

yes depowers for buggiers. i know buggiers overseas use depoweres for gusty poo weather. maybe you should have one in the stable. i doubt your'll break any speed records on them but changing kites every 5 mins must be a pain.

mwahahahah.....MWAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

we had it, and it cranked.

then it had perrin!! he crashed doing 96kph.

perrin is atill alive.

...and walking.

long live perrin..

his buggy is dead.........

a truely epic weekend of the most unimanigable weather conditions and some awsome AWSOME kitebuggying.
saturday, after we left gannet to make slowcarts look slow we got to the moose and set up camp, this was hard....wind at this point was about 20knots....tarpauling not cooperating...
we hit the beach first to use the lowtide, had about 30,50m wide most of the time from the sea to the soft, and we needed it all!!
we both had 2.2m up , my n-gen and the yakuzza and they were already pulling well...growling round the beach opposite the camp for about an hour getting the feel of it and having a few races....
n-gen slightly faster than yakuzza @20knots...very good fun overtaking perrin...
once we knew what the wind was doing and trusted that we could get back, we started to take the tour north bout 3k to the bend into the kaipra..
things truely started to get a bit fast...during the normal part of the beach we were overpowerd ,underweight and scrubbing after we got past bout 65k mark and apparent working...
once we got to the bend we could just let it all loose...this got us up to 80kph ,this was my best confermed speed of the day keeping up with perrin,
wind speed increasing slightly to maby 25knots and the yakuza came online...
couldnt keep up with perrin now and buggy starting to vibrate from unballanced wheels very badly, cant go any faster...top speed unknown
to give you an idea ,the wheels were almost resenating, like a back massager...when i looked at my tyrepath afterwards even traveling at 80kph the bounce marks were only 25,30cm apart.
so i went in to change to bigfoots an do some moosing.
havnt seen perrin for a while at this point, during my wheel swap at camp a squall came through...30knots ...that squall got him up to 96kph, and he hit a rut formed by small rainlakes on the beach escaping out to sea and cutting channels in the sand...the rut wall was only 2.5" to 3" high but it catapulted the front of the buggy into the air, followed by the back and rotated the whole lot through the sky landing upside down.
the impact tore the front wheel apart, the hub has a chunk almost half its diamiter massing and i recon the rear axle saved his bones because it somehow took enuff force to bent it a good 3 or 4 degree sideways..dont know about the rest of the buggy.
he walked away with a sore butt and his elbows a bit stiff only perrin....na seriusly, i think it hurt.
i headed back to camp after plonking round the dunes for an hour an a half as dusk was coming soon, perrin still not their..worried now i got wetweather gear on wondering weather to go for a hike or pack up the van and go for a scout as haddnt seen his kite in the sky for a long time....the moose as we know is very big and its going dark...this was a skary and worrying time.
then he comes ambling over the dune into the camp and gives me a huge hug....it was a good thing.
we removed the tarpauling from the van and left all the kit under it and drove out to pick up the buggy wreck.the crash marks in the sand are about 50m long!
on returning to camp we find rexton standing next to his car.....where the f$%K have you been he says....
during that nite the most incredible weather system came througt...i was in the van and it was skary, rexton in his car and perrin in a damn tent!!! i swear it was like having 5 fire engine hoses all in a row full bore into the side of the van...it was rain like i have never imagined...
sunday morning was sunny and a nice 15 or so knots softening to 10 when the blade 4.9 and reactor 6.4 came out and the buggy jumping starts....watched rexton loft a good 5 footer off a lip and an awsom 15m long float to kiss(ish) landing.....not bad for a 4month old buggier, weldone rexton mate.
the day continues with many many airborn attempts and a few good floaters on my part but not really enuff wind.....
bring on 90mile!!

wowa now thats a story and a half.
how the hell to perin survive? maybe we should start calling hum rubberman.
Did you try the bmx wheels>?
maybe you should get those wheels ballanced at a tyre shop?
dang i can't wait for the 90mile.

i've been thinking. since we are lacking a driver for the 90. what about doing the run on 2 days. that way every one gets a chance to fang the whole length.
maybe if some early birds get to the ebach friday they can punch it friday arvo and then share the driving for the sat. What say you? its not ideal and would be best to all punch at once but without a freindly driver i can't see how its possible

..personaly i dont mind doing a bit of driving myself, if the wind dies off and i have to put the blades up then to be honest id rather drive, if the wind picks up and somebody wants out then they can drive and ill buggy...if the winds perfect for all of us then we fight to the death and whoever loses has to drive ...
without a driver its impossible to get home and we have to take all kit on our buggy/backpack...its not going to work, we have to have a fulltime driver to run this trip properly or id be concidering something eles....we will find a driver, roffey is only out for the next date..

MothersMoose09
Saturday was the day I got back to the 90+ club (98.6kph)
Thanks to Al for driving me up the beach and rescuing from my 90+ crash.
I saw Al heading back to the camp just after his last run with me at around 80kph.
His wheels where starting to vibrate and he would lose his line.
Meanwhile I had a look north up the beach and there was this black squall about to hit the coast .And I thought its time to head into the heart of darkness.
Getting from the camp to the corner where the beach starts to bend down wind was a battle. The 2.2 Yak was drifting me to the soft sand and I had to hold it back to keep to the waters edge ,It was a relief to finally let it have full power as I rounded the bend .Speed built rapidly
Then it all went pear shaped at about 90kph, several 10cm rain channels tripped the buggy up.I flipped and landed upside down and backwards then flipped right side up.
Somehow I walked away with a few scraps and bruises but the buggy was undriveable.
The front hub was smashed and the back axle was a banana.
I tried dragging the buggy back to the truck but gave up on that when some kitesurfers drive up.They gave me a lift back to Al and we went and got my buggy.
I ended up videoing Al and Rexton the next day as I couldn't sit down.Must of hit my tail bone on the ground when the suspension bottomed out.

Here is the landing zone