That got your attention. In response to a lot of talk at the last redbull, (at least something generated wind) and on this forum, and the general feeling we have outstayed the windsurfing societies welcome.....I have looked into what is required to start up a national body. I don;t know anyone with a big enough body, (insert rude comment here) so I have enlisted the advice of the commerce commission. These people do this sort of stuff, and have a webpage to this effect, see below.

www.med.govt.nz/ri/co_reg/incsociety1.html#P18_444

Most of the info on this page is hoop-jumping and easy. The important parts are;

-It is non profit - we can take money to organise events, but nobody can profit from the takings unless we emply them to do something, like foot massages for the president, for instance

-We have to have an address to register this society to. Any ideas? This should preferably be somewhere that is reasonably stable, like a business possibly, (raging inferno's notwithstanding) or someone's mum's house.

-Must have a set of rules and a charter - basically outlining the structure (gods through to minions). I think I will ask the Canterbury Windsurfing Association for their rules and then in conjunction with kiteboarders, alter them.

-We need 15 people to sign off the first set of rules and structure. I don't have 15 friends (that can write their names)


So, that's the run down. Again, this does not get us out of liablity for events etc, but it gives us more clout when applying for council funding, or perhaps being involved in overseas events - or other stuff.

Finally, I have noticed a tendency for a great deal of bitching, whining and bleating about anything anyone suggests on this forum. So, to be clear, I have not done this yet, this is simply how we could do it if we wanted to. I am keen to get feedback, but only if it is constructive!

good effort! KAI - i like that.

Ah yes; and so it starts (again) we should get some sortathing goin, get sorted!, form a body & make some rules. Dang !, i spend a whole lota my time breakin the rules,so when i discover somthin with no rules apart from gravity & natural dynamics, we gotta make RULES 4 it. But yeh its a good idea,things are gettin kinda warpped out there, and we need to protect ourselves, our sport, and our right to use OUR spots,so you got my support dude. anyway another nice w/end with a jump at taka on sat, then the westie on sunday,with a northerly direction,small but well formed swell, was kewl to be out with some surfers again ,it was also my first summer session without a wettie,summer is upon us kids,have fun b safe 8)

that's something else I forgot - having a national body lends more clout when negotiating with councils etc over kiteboarding areas. The issue has come up all over the world, and it will happen here too.

Would a national body be able to sort us out a wind meter at Shakespear? If so, I'm all for it. :shock:

My guess is that a national body could put foward a request for a windmeter whereever you like. Could start a national campaign to get anemometers at every major kiteboarding location in New Zealand. Next stop - The World!

But yes, I thnk in answer to your question this is the sort of thing that national bodies organise - amongst others.

thats all good,i like the kiteboarding bit (nothin to do with surfing) maybe we could go for kitesports and incorporate everyone, but do we have to do the aotearoa stuff,in a NEW ZEALANDER, will nod to being a kiwi even, cant deny being a maori,but a new zealand maori, all this pc stuff is PCing me OFF. ps im talkin about the title,kiteboarding aeotearoa .

Yep this was just a working title - should call it whatever you want.

Also - good to bring up this issue about covering all kitesports under one organisation. This happens in the UK and seems to work quite well, but they have different (collective) insurance requirements to us, so they need to do this sort of thing. Any more ideas people - should it include buggying and mountain boarding?

There are some positive aspects of forming an association.
But you have not stopped to think how badly this can and usually does all go.

the fastest way to slow progress is to have " a meeting"
Associations are all about meetings and a room full of egos going at it with their cocks out. There is enuff of that in this Forum with out having to read the minutes for the meetings in our wind and kite mag. 9its lame enuff already)
Attend the meetings, put motions on the floor. Rant and debate and basterdize our sport. First it, seconded it. Show of hands.
The "I's" have it.
Motion passed....... so if you were at the meeting, you might have had your say but the agendas are always hidden and you never really understood what was going down. And who are you to speak against the big names.

KEEP the FUCKIN Rules outs out SPORT!!!!

Just go kiteboarding you lame arse rule making idiots with nothing better to do. All this lame Assoc idea started cause there is no nationals.
Well who gives a shit. The wind still blows, Kites still get used and there is less stress and attitude at the beach.

---- Why not ........
Why not just set up a national League. Each comp has their own rules.
Shaan's would be the first to get it going.
Have another in taranaki and another in ChCH.
We can have a Kiteboarding League Champion.
Even if only one is held.
This can easily be Internationally recognised.
This year we Can have two Leagues to get it started.


Don't compete and you can't win.
Compete and be judged by your peers.

go hard and have fun.

But don't have a friggen National Assoc.
It would be top heavy with Auck wackers, youd need clubs everywhere.
Local reps safety Nazis, beach patrols.
Comercial monopolies. Death camps, torture chambers and weapons for the up-rising.


the best way for councils to ban kiteboarding is to be able to talk to a national body and ban the whole lot of us.
Even Park rangers at Shakespear Bay have voiced their concern at us forming an assoc.
If an idiot needs to be banned for being an idiot. Ban the idiot.
If the council gets involved, they ban the sport from the location.
This happens all the time.

Stop the pissing contest and just go Kiteboarding.

I have lots of things to say about the stuff you wrote, but I'm too busy to put it all down right now. One thing though - about councils banning us from beaches.

Everywhere else in the world, councils have not banned the idiot, they ban everyone from riding. This is not my opinion, this is fact. I have yet to see a sign that says "kiteboarding permitted except that guy with the yellow board who was here last week". Councils will not simply think - 'hey, there is no national body to negotiate with, so I guess we can't ban it after all.'

Where this has become an issue overseas, people have used national organisations to defend their right to kiteboard.

Also, about the dick slinging. I'm the one kicking off this idea and I don't have one. I'm also not from Auckland.

good on ya kinawera for sticking to your guns (and a female straight shooter).

whilst i agree with a few points of our passionate guest, my advice is if you are going to deliver lengthy diatribes about important issues - identify yourself. how hard is it to write your name? then you can become a part of the solution and not have your views forgotten as those of just another ranting secret squirrel.

if you're too timid to claim ownership of your opinions, then a good rule of thumb would be DON'T SAY 'EM!. this concept would probably save you a bit of grief at the pub as well.

Fine - I thought everyone knew who I was - i have put my name on stuff before - Hi, I'm Fiona, I like reading, playing scrabble and cake decorating. If this is not good enough identification, you can recognise me by my pink kite, pink board, (fanks underground) and pink legs whizzing around the waters of Christchurch.

And for the person who was worried about the 'rules'. Sorry - I don't think I was clear enough about what I meant. This is not rules about where to kiteboard or how to do it or anything like that. The rules I referred to are the ones required by the guidelines for seting up an incorporated society, like a charter - something that says how people get elected, what the structure of the organisation is etc

And just because this is getting too serious - i went kiteboarding today and it was nice.

I thought that was Shaan with the pink board, pink kite and the pink tegals??

i was talking about the anonymous 'guest' - not yourself kinawera, but no i wasn't aware there was a pink-clad, scrabble-playing cake decorator named fiona kiting in christchurch and it just goes to show i don't know everything.

Hey come on the scrabble bit ain't true. My scrabble set arrived almost a year ago and it's sat unused on the self since. And while I remember some fantasic cakes coming out of the oven I've yet to see one decorated!!

Chris (Pres Marine Prde Scrabble Assoc inc pty ltd gmhb)

That should be Gmbh in the last line Chris. And yes Fiona Lynn-Grubb is a fine kiteboarder Shaan, hope this illuminates.

" And while I remember some fantasic cakes coming out of the oven I've yet to see one decorated!!

Chris (Pres Marine Prde Scrabble Assoc inc pty ltd gmhb)[/quote]"

This is because cakes must be cool before decorating. And that takes time. Sitting on the bench. In full view. You all know who you are.